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Variation in any of these can result in a different sounding magnet, at the end of the day. The difference in manufacturing process comes after this.

The "polished" magnets, having been cast a bit larger, are then run through a surface grinding process which grinds off the rough surfaces, bringing them to the final size on all sides, while being cooled in a solution to prevent heat from physically changing the material.

This same process is done to rough cast magnets, but only on the North and South polar faces, leaving the other four surfaces rough.

Many rough cast magnets also end up being ground flatter on the other four surfaces, as well, if they are so rough and unusual in shape that they are outside the range of tolerance to fit the order.

Any differences heard between rough cast and polished magnets are likely due to the magnets coming from different foundries, or being made in different batches with loose tolerances or sloppy practices, rather than the actual surface texture of the magnet.

Especially regarding inexpensive modern magnets. Similarly, three rough cast magnets from three different foundries, will also likely meter and sound a little different from each other.

Especially if they are from a precise and automated foundry with high standards and tight tolerances but most aren't. There are some rare times that a rough cast magnet can change the sound of a pickup due to the rough surface.

It's not common, because generally both the polar faces of the magnet, which contact magnetic surfaces in the pickup keeper bar and slugs , are surface ground flat, even on rough cast magnets.

An example is some of the A3 magnets that Gibson used in Ps in the early 's. They were made with only the South face of the magnet polished, with the North face left rough like the other four surfaces.

In that case, when some of these magnets made their way into PAFs in and, although very rare, I've seen them in pickups as late as the mid 's this rough surface on the North polar face of the magnet which contacts the slugs could be so rough that it creates an air gap by having very poor contact with the slugs.

Small air gaps cause magnets to do strange things in physics. This can change the sound, in rare cases. So, generally, when a difference is heard between rough or "polished" humbucker bar magnets, it's because they came from different foundries or at least different runs of AlNiCo production.

Some foundries, especially the lowest-bid type, can be extremely inconsistent. I've seen how some of these foundries are run and experienced the results.

The processes are not automated and terribly inconsistent. On the other hand, some magnets are cast here in the US with military precision and produce extremely consistent results.

They cost quite a great deal more than the offshore alternatives. Further creating differences in magnets, some manufacturers go so far as having foundries alter the alloy or process to achieve somewhat different results for a given magnet type, intentionally.

Others likely just ignore them entirely and ship what they ship. It can be a real mess depending who one deals with in manufacturing. There is another type of polished-looking AlNiCo magnet, which is not sand cast at all.

It's called a "sintered" magnet. Instead of having a molten iron-like alloy poured into green sand molds like the two described above, sintered magnets are made by pressing a powdered AlNiCo dust into a die, then compressing it under huge amounts of pressure and heat until it solidifies into a permanent shape.

These magnets are magnetically weaker but cheaper to make. I've not seen typical guitar magnets which are made with a sintering process yet, though it's possible they are out there.

At the end of the day, not all magnets of a given type achieve the same result in a guitar pickup. There are a great deal of variables in materials, process and tolerance that result in different chemical, physical and ultimately sonic properties of a pickup magnet.

Control and consistency is how a manufacturer can use that to their advantage, rather than experience it as a problem.

Personally, as I've tried to simplify and cut down on the types of magnets I use, over the years, I've only found valid reason to increase them.

For example, I now stock five different A5 types, to achieve significantly different voicings in pickups. They really do sound noticeably different and measurements do reflect that they are different, as well.

Magnets are relatively cheap, even for American ones. That's one upside. Pickup magnets are a rather inexpensive thing for musicians to play around with and experience the differences for themselves, in their own gear, compared to most of the equipment in the music industry.

Happy swapping! Favorite magnet poll added just for fun. Brewdude Senior Member. Joined Jun 26, Messages 1, Reaction score 2, Once again your willingness to share your knowledge is unparalleled, thanks as always for the explanation!

NorlinBlackBeauty Senior Member. Joined Oct 28, Messages 26, Reaction score 68, Joined Jul 9, Messages 1, Reaction score 1, I favor A4 but the A5 pickups I got from you are incredible.

Joined May 4, Messages Reaction score I sway towards UOA5, but A4 is great too! Limited experience with A3 and not a fan.

A2, not the biggest fan. Constructed by hand, the magnets are weakened by hand allowing the upper range to sound less forceful and evens out the tonality.

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Your Name required. Your Email required. Your Message. Your Tel. Call Us Today! Guitar Pickup Magnets. Pickup magnets are a rather inexpensive thing for musicians to play around with and experience the differences for themselves, in their own gear, compared to most of the equipment in the music industry.

Happy swapping! Favorite magnet poll added just for fun. Brewdude Senior Member. Joined Jun 26, Messages 1, Reaction score 2, Once again your willingness to share your knowledge is unparalleled, thanks as always for the explanation!

NorlinBlackBeauty Senior Member. Joined Oct 28, Messages 26, Reaction score 68, Joined Jul 9, Messages 1, Reaction score 1, I favor A4 but the A5 pickups I got from you are incredible.

Joined May 4, Messages Reaction score I sway towards UOA5, but A4 is great too! Limited experience with A3 and not a fan. A2, not the biggest fan.

One of my dessert island sets. Thumpalumpacus Senior Member. Joined Nov 28, Messages 76, Reaction score , I'm really ignorant on the topic. Thanks for a good primer.

Joined Jan 24, Messages 20, Reaction score 35, Great post, James. I even read the whole thing, no lie! My experience tells me I prefer A2 magnets.

Though I have tried a little bit of everything. Not through choice so much as circumstance. And too lazy to do anything about it.

Thanks for sharing. I know you are not a big fan of 57's, but I like 'em and like to leave my guitars that sound good enough as is stock, as much as possible.

Thumpalumpacus said:. Joined Jun 1, Messages 13, Reaction score 33, Joined Feb 20, Messages 34, Reaction score , A great read, especially the rough surfaces section.

The bold and underlined in quote below does make all the sense in the world Again, a great read Ed cooljuk said:. In reference to the magnets vs. Remarkable difference in tone colors.

It also makes sense the variations within a type magnet. Temp, rate of temp change, etc. May be immeasurable and insignificant, may not be.

As you stated too, bubbles It is not unheard of even for high dollar metals to fail inspection because of an anomaly in the process like in a batch of steel A cousin was paid a lot of bucks a good while back to inspect steel for an oil company.

It happens On one hand I think the '57 Classics are probably my favorite humbuckers Gibson has made in decades. On the other, I do think they missed the mark in a number of places that could have easily made them much more clear and detailed without being harsh and much more full and bold without being dark and muddy.

The name is also frustrating, as they aren't really anything like PAFs. But my opinion is just that. To answer your question about the A4 - swapping out the factory A2 for an A4 going by the average A4 I've heard, as some are much brighter than others should give you more output, a bit more treble, and less compression.

The bass may seem about the same or less because of the increase in the other frequencies and volume, but it will be a punchier bass, focused in a higher frequency range.

That's all personal preference. Lower value pots in the bridge could warm it up and perhaps balance it better, by comparison.

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